TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. Why would a reality warper have any effect on a Biblical angelic being? The concept and idea of divinity, as in, coming from God, is a concept that Marvel lacks. FollowPR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. So Beyonder casually stomping and being above people who casually stomp multiversal beings, is a massive step up. 13 years ago. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking…Marvel has only hype, pr beyonder is the only char to be so hyped he is seen as the strongest. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Gen. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Dude is literally from a universe(?) that is larger than the entire marvel universe(?), and was it's sole occupant. 8551. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. Morals off. #1. The Ivory Kings are still not at PRB's level, and shouldn't be regarded as his equals, let alone his superiors. Round 1: No prep time. 0. TOAA is above all. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. ) as regarding LT, you really must have. Since he knows past. Follow 10594. Doctor Manhattan is one of the most formidable beings around but his powers are all based on what it is possible. Unkindness Raven vs PR Beyonder TheDevil98. Beyonder was the one above all before TOAAPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. at the time "Don't make me post a pic of you in that one armor. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. Forums. Apr 2014. They might ruffle his soul-glo hair though, which wouldn't end well for them. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. I hear people say HoTU Thanos = TOAA but I have my doubts, I personally think it's just a fraction of TOAA's power. elaine ftw. 0. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @AtPhantom said: "The wiki is kinda correct, since he gained the power of omega beams when he acquired the effect. 12 years ago. Oblivion is higher on the totem pole of power. Even 16D beings like LT, Eternity are nowhere as powerful as PR Beyonder, so Beyonder still wins, deal with it. 4 years ago. • 1 year ago. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. 4 years ago. also the living tribunal couldnt even do anything to PR beyonder. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Crom-Cruach. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. With just the Beyonders it would be a good battle and "might" even favor the DC trio for the win. BEYONDERGOD. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. 05-03. Wiki Points. PR Beyonder 1B likely 1A. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Follow 75. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Wiki Points. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. Fulcrum. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. Doom. 13 years agoLet's leave out TOAA/Presence. I don't know a. Casually Oneshotting all of dc is beyond anything pr beyonder or any beyonders have ever done. My gut is Monarch?Stomp. Also, I'm using PR Beyonder before he was retconned into a cosmic cube. #1 KalKent1297. 9 years ago. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. Beyonder would laugh and blink it out of existence. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. 8 years ago. I don't think Oblivion can be destroyed. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Following Secret Wars and Secret Wars II, the Beyonder experienced many notable retcons. doomsday49. Basically this. Hard to call in terms of power. And to OP I say Korvac wins this. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. Especially. I do not believe he was omniscient and that is a big difference. Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. PR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. Because PR Beyonder was a multiverse personified, so does that mean that each of these new Beyonders are also their own Multiverse? No. 7. 13 years ago. He was said to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel universe(?). 0. Win by death, KO, incap. 801. Of this, The Beyonder is the Supreme Being of that Outerverse, which is orders of magnitude larger than the Infinite Multivwrse. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. Follow 23177. 2. You can't claim the same about Asura's. Since his feats and stuff have. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. 13 years ago. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. PR beyonder. A universe that is more powerful. Forums. anyways Q isn't omnipotent either and he doesn't have any feats that rival PR Beyonder so PR Beyonder. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. Couple of things; 1) It's a bit disingenuous to insinuate that I'm claiming that Flash has no limits. Silver Age Superman doesn't have universe+ feats which the Cosmic Cube Beyonder had and PR Beyonder was beyond multiverse+ level. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. Forum Posts. His will is law. I don't know a. Beyonder is the bigger god. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. Kami Tenchi by many (not me though) is considered a Multiversal God. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. He changed the match from ssj2 Goku vs Jin Mori to Sai vs Beyonder lol. #6 Edited By icecream1991. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. dope matchup. 11,059. Reply reply more replies. LT was literally powerless, didn't even try to battle him. The first thing here is this is only a character. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. There are 5 magics, and one of the 5 magicians killed the original vampire moon god. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. 8 years ago. I need to know please New Comics. Wiki Points. Or that the enitre multiverse was stated to be a mere droplet of water. Post-Retcon Beyonder vs a Full-Powered Franklin Richards. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Best Answer. 4 years ago. I'm siding withBeyonder's been retconned at least twice afaik, his half-a-Cube-Being version was a pretty serious reality warper too. PM not so much. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. Reviews. ago. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. Follow 25782. You can say PR Byonder is more powerful then LT (M), Phoenix Force…hell even Phoenix of the White Crown would probably not be a match…But Those 3 have never met each other, and have bin ranked 2nd only to TTOA. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". ago. i mean ya the pr beyonder and dr solar are apparently omnipotent , but you should not forget the phoenix . "You'll notice every cosmic being/entity in there, from the LT to Eternity. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. Jul 30, 2018. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Sexy Merc said: " @Pr_Beyonder: I'm a huge ass Wally fanboy myself. Composite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. Protege and Mad Jim Jaspers are kind of wild cards. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. No. HOTU Thanos. The One Above All. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is more powerful than the Living Tribunal. The Presence. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. He's nowhere near the same ballpark as PR Beyonder. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. PR Beyonder wins. The Beyonders that killed all the Celestials then proceeded to shit on all the cosmic beings like The Living Tribunals. Reviews: 4. Doom, and Constantine team up, trick Presence into coming to Marvel Universe where he isn't. #1 KalKent1297. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. Posts. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. @laflux said: MOM. This is Marvel Vs Dc to see who has had the biggest Villain threats of all time. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. Adding God Doom is just too much. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. No, they can't adapt to. where an argument can be made for either CAS or PR Beyonder. 10 years ago. It would also destroy the. Michael Demiurge. Warlockmage. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. Magic, on the other hand, is stuff you can’t do with science, it’s the realm of basically gods in Fate. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. Wiki Points. Basically this. agreed the PR beyonder was kind of like a super amped version of the loeb force 13 years ago. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. Manhattan are beings that. MM has the powers of the Beyonders, the Beyonders were still linear beings constrained and restricted by time, they were able to be killed by overwhelming power like Starbrand,. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Forum Posts. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. OTP PR Beyonder soloes. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPR-Beyonder being from outside of the Living Tribunals domain (whoch he has ultimate judgement over) was really his only weakness. He dwarfed every cosmic entity minus toaa. No. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. Nah, it’s generally recognised that PR Beyonder is above TOAA and the Presence. No. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. PR Beyonder is the lesser of the two, so there we have it. Living Tribunal. 0. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. PRB has a lot of. TR was created by this. He is talking about TOAA, not PR Beyonder. Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. Matezoide2. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. Air Legend. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. Reviews: 0. K. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. Forum Posts. [deleted]@Pr_Beyonder said: " can't seem to edit my post anyway Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Spectre vs Storm and Batman is probably the biggest spite Hate to hate on bugs bunny but i've seen 5-D imps do. Michael doesn't really have a lot in the way of feats, other than statements by other characters and some. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. PR Beyonder. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. 13 years ago. His isn't from another universe. Oblivion is just another aspect of Death and Beyonder removed her from reality just like he would Oblivion. He killed Death for fun which still left LT powerless. Random encounter. ago. 1. unicron wins and heres why. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. PR Beyonder and the Beyonders fall into that category too, and you’ve claimed the former is “fodder”. Yeah PR Beyonder is completely broken Reply [deleted] • Additional comment actions. Living Tribunal was also onlu second to TOAA much like Michael and Lucifer are second only to Presence. Followers. 8 years ago. Wiki Points. I realize the Presence is often considered more powerful than PR-Beyonder, but really, going to need feats in this case because this is not the Presence. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. TR was created by this. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. There are like at least dozens DC. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. R4: Mr. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . I know that Krona vs LT already exists but i havn't seen one where krona has all the items and i think it would be interresting to see them battleTakPR Beyonder is stronger than all Marvel universe and its beings combined by far. deactivated-5e0e83bb0dbb5. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. He is another universe, pre-big bang. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. FollowHere's the deal. So. Omnipotence and omniscience. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Decoy Elite: Hey,Disco suits were B. No chance of being omnipotent. Even a fight between Dr Manhattan and Franklin Richards, Manhattan out 9/10 lose. Followers. Michael and Lucy. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. Bo88gdan. -5. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. 7740. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. Also, what would you rank him as? A. Manhattan's league. Followers. Followers. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Trust me bud, and until you have scans, it ain’t true. And even then some endless beat pr beyonder. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. PR Beyonder can also create and destroy multiverses (reality, dimensions, etc) at a higher level than even the Living Tribunal can. 5. Living_Beyonder. vs. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. That scales on the top dogs of each omniverse. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. Funny, didn. also i've read that suggsverse is basically a troll comic. As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and. m limits were never exposed. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder was stated clearly to be omnipotent in almost every issue of Secret Wars 1 & 2, so you can't deny. If Iron Man can. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. ShootingNova. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. (The bKorvac wields Power Cosmic. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Example: I have taken the hill and have the death star watIt can and has been argued that PR Beyonder exceeds TOAA in power, whereas the HotU apparently. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. As well as being compared to Pre Crisis Spectre, who dwarfs Odin, to Galactus and classic Exitar levels. The Crimson King. 0. To put it simply, PR Beyonder barely thinks of destroying John Constantine, in. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. But if you are ONLY going FEATS wise, then Classic Beyonder takes it. . In your opinion, what is the most impressive feat that any character from history has ever done. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. The Living Tribunal's domain is the multiverse he's from, the Beyonder is the entire surrounding Beyond personified. Beyonder would just make remake everything that was destroyed. KingOfAsh. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. PR Beyonder. 5. The art work and what not is horrible. This puts Beyonder at LT+ with MM a close second, followed by the Beyonders and HOTU. I think Beyonder wins based on feats. 2 years ago. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Thanos with the Regulator both duo together to obliterate all of the other nigh-omnipotent beings in this thread.